Yet more bleating and whining... But they get their way! It really is time for us to adopt their tactics and use the powers that we can.

Daily Mail - So it must be true, even though they've banned me!

Rebbonk, what powers though? Our public voice goes unlistened to. All I can think of is bombarding the supermarket retailers with demands to label meat showing how it is killed so that we can make an informed decision.

We have exactly the same methods and tools at our disposal as they do. They are just far more effective at generating interest in their own communities and of rallying the troops. As I've said before, as long as most of the UK has soaps, cigges, beer, reality TV and football, they don't give a stuff.

Imagine what would happen if one whole estate agreed to boycott the local supermarket unless they complied with their wishes? Do you think that'd make the news and others would join in? Sadly, as a race, the indigenous Brit has lost the community spirit and that of supporting his fellow man.

Adding on to that Gladys, I think we've become a very selfish race of people and in many instances we are getting exactly what we deserve. In many ways I blame Thatcher, but to be fair, I can trace a lot back to the early 60s and some a bit earlier, possibly as far as just after the war.

This is today's latest- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653689/Farmed-fish-stunned-like-cattle-slaughter-deserve-good-life-says-government-welfare-body.html

A Government body except that the Government Head- Mr C isn't interested in humane slaughter of anything.

I'm afraid that I believe Camoron is only interested in himself and what he can get out of things. I can't see him remaining in place ater the next general election, and I doubt the historians will be particularly kind to him.

He was elected on so many hopes and promises, but has delivered so little.

I'm afraid I have to agree with you Rebbonk. This mornings email brought a response to the E-Petition. Anyone who signed it should have got one too. It basically says the Government (Mr C) has no intention on stopping non stun slaughter. He has ' religiousised ' his reasons for stating this. In my view it should have nothing to do with religious beliefs but all to do with treating animals with humanity in life and at death. The response does go on to say if they signatures exceed 100,000 it will get an airing on the back benches. If you haven't already, please do two things- read what Dr Hargey says about what Halal actually means without Hadith Fundamentalism .

See this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2623879/We-Muslims-appalled-sale-halal-meat-stealth.html and please sign the e-petition which this morning stands at 66,635 signatures so again tell friends and family and if you use Facebook or Twitter add it to those.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64331

I haven't had that response Gladys. - Strange?

How very strange indeed. Hopefully it is due to the volume of respondents and if so you should get one in the next few days. In any case, you signed it but did you ' activate ' the signature which is done by clicking the link sent to your email address as a confirmation email? If not sign it again and wait for that email to come through.

It was all done properly Gladys. If it takes them that long to bulk email 66,000 people the system must be useless.

What is even more strange is the E-Petition for public holidays for Diwali and Ede- Those are getting the airing that this should as well. I am thinking how do we get an enquirie going into slaughter house practices because on the Dog Fighting program on Channel 4 tonight, it finished showing a slaughter man having killed a pig, or at least cut its throat,(you could see its legs kicking in the high fore ground as it was strung up), he was sharpening his knife, stood in a pool of blood and the next poor victim was stood waiting looking terrified? If Pork is not allowed for Kosher or Muslim food- why were these pigs being killed in this way and having their throats cut? It demonstrates the default slaughter method for the UK Now.There was no facility for them not seeing what was being done to the one before . This is a fundamental issue of humane slaughter that the one being done isn't seen by his or her brother, mother, sister, aunt, uncle, niece or nephew. You get my drift.They should be rendered senseless as sentient beings. Mr C is using the ' Hide ' of religion to ignore the need. I really want to do something about this but don't know what or how to do it. Any ideas, any one? Can't look at this but I should; can you? Its only really recent.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDu_yUM8sMo I spoke to the wife of a farmer yesterday, she said her Husband hates taking his beef cattle to the Abattoir and doesn't watch their end because he can't deal with it. All I said to her was just make sure he makes sure they are treated with calm, compassion and are stunned. She said she would but I actually think it is a subject she isn't able to voice but who knows maybe!

Just see this - it should be about welfare not religion , nor supermarket profit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAQJ-FZo1cA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAQJ-FZo1cA

Its every where http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2656460/Soldiers-secretly-fed-halal-food-Ministry-Defence-admits-doesnt-label-meat-UK-overseas-bases.html

When they said that Halal meat production is obtained by the default slaughter method for the UK, they really meant it.

Please listen to this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL3IdyxN5ic The Jewish , Islam and BVA ' Big wigs ' opinions. A debate. You decide but please vote.

A related subject: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27866293
FSA staff (who we expect to know what they're talking about) say this could put peoples' health at risk; FSA management (who may or may not know what they're talking about, but generally have to toe the line regardless) say there are no potential health concerns.

Lex, I think they've known about this for several months if not years. If you note recent health dietary advice about the dangers of eating pies and sausages , it tells me they were trying to avoid a mass hysteria back then hoping we'd all stop eating it. Perhaps this truth telling is to avoid exposure by under cover media again which has gone wrong? Anyway, I had an interesting event which I am hoping will lead to bigger things. (Little old me-Ha!) I bought two British Beef Steaks at Tescos on Monday and cooked them last night. We were looking forward to steak, salad and jersey royal potatoes. Yum thought.The steaks looked great- juicy, thick, not full of fatty veins but just the right amount of fat around the tops as a sirloin or rump would normally look like.All cooked , rested I served it all up. Well, I didn't have a saw to hand but that is what was needed. I gave up after 2-3 gos. Mr G, carried on as he was starving but after half way, he did too , breathless from effort and frustration, he couldn't try anymore. It was awful.

With that I went online to complain to Tescos. I received a very in depth reply this afternoon which offered me a refund on the price but also asked me to supply the bar code info as they want to look into the actual animal's end and the practices at the abattoir that dispatched it. I have sent them a long missive with the links on this thread especially what Dr Hargey explains Halal actually means. I was going to copy and paste the entire communication here but have spared you.Let's see what comes back. I note that the E-Petition stands at 69,730 signatures now and still has 9 Months to go so hopefully it will get a due hearing. In the mean time , Mr C needs to be ' educated ' on what actually happens and needs to be made welfare aware. ( Fat hope and Big Ask that one- he can't seem to be aware or welfare minded re his British populace! I nearly said 'subjects' Subliminal slip!!!)

Gladys,

I find Tesco do react to customer complaints (at least on the surface!). How far they will deleve into a suppliers practices I don't know. At one time I just used to put poor product down to bad luck, but now I have the time, I complain when things aren't right. Believe me, you very quickly get a feel of just how much a company values its customers.

As for educating the fool from No.10, forget it. Eton tried! The man is beyond redemption. I actually think he's a bit dim and lacking common sense. I certainly don't believe he would be where he is if it wasn't for his family connections.