It's the minorities Gladys, can't go upsetting them can we? Oddly enough, I thought we were [laughs] living in a democracy where the majority had their way invoked.

Rebbonk, the picture seems to be one of a minority that is becoming a majority that is quietly taking over. I was looking at the FSA stuff on meat production and standards. It really is very loose and the front page of their legislative web site actually states that they are advisory and that unless it is set in law, then producers do not have to follow the advice or words to that effect. I find that shocking on many levels because the FSA are getting paid from the public purse to do what? They also say that humane treatment of animals is set in law but then they manage to slide off that with the topic of religious slaughter which is accepted. Mr C stated in Denmark ( I think) he would not oppose the continuation of this practice in the UK and in fact supports it for those whose religious beliefs require it. Just who is he to speak for me and others who would rather see humane practice before religious belief? That to me would put a bit more ' Great ' back into the British nation.

None of the politicians have the spine to stand up and be counted, lest they be called racist or it costs them votes. In fact, even the RSPCA are remarkably silent on this particular issue.

Yes but at least the Chief vet for the BVA has stood up and spoken out about it. Its time to step up the action against it but how?

I've added some tags to the thread. And of course, getting other people to discuss the issue is a good start to getting things changed - if you know anyone who has a view on this issue, invite them along to WOL!

Thanks Lex and Yes, anyone having a read of this, please comment either for or against. Let's have other peoples' stance on this. I seem to bang on about my view which is clear and I am pleased to see this in today's DM.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2622830/Millions-eating-halal-food-without-knowing-How-big-brand-shops-restaurants-sell-ritually-slaughtered-meat-dont-label-it.html

Halal slaughter is now Britain's default method of meat production. Attempts to make it more humane with pre-stunning are now being put in place in the majority of abattoirs but not all. I am shouting for clear labels on the super market shelves and the freedom to make an informed choice. As things are now, there is none of that. Sign the BVA's e-petition. They need over 100,000 votes to get a hearing in parliament on this. I'll find it and add it to this post.http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64331

Its amazing- since asking how to raise the profile of this issue, its on National TV and the deputy Prime Minister is calling for these actions on clear labeling. Mr C however, is reported to have stated he isn't getting involved and thinks it should be between retailers, their providers and their customers. Typical of him- side step, dodge it and walk away.

Well, How do the retailers know that their customers don't care if the meat is halal or not? The e-petition is showing 35,907 signatures this morning against the 23000+ yesterday lunch time. It matters to me and to some of you. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2623805/Our-shoppers-dont-care-meat-halal-claim-supermarkets-Retailers-face-backlash-saying-unnecessary-label-meats.html

Further more, the other issue which is side left to this one but closely aligned is the fact that schools are joining force in this default for halal food and non- pork products for their school meals. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2623860/Now-halal-sneaks-schools-Parents-angered-councils-ban-pork-sausages-bacon-replace-ritually-slaughtered-meat.html My solution would be that the default should be humanely slaughtered meat at all times, if a child's faith dictates no pork products then don't eat them. Simple.

What a sensible man Dr Taj Hargey is. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2623879/We-Muslims-appalled-sale-halal-meat-stealth.html He has clarified things for me- Hadith Islam Fundamentalists who are exploiting the ignorance of the consumer both Muslim and non Muslim. It is about profit.

The e-petition stands at 41,107 signatures just now at 0015 on 10th May. Please sign and share on your Facebook, Twitter and email accounts with friends and family.http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64331

I've signed up, but doubt it'll do much good; I don't know how the twerp from No.10 stands up, he's got no spine!

I've signed too!

Thanks Guys, Please ask your loved ones, friends etc to do the same and to pass it on via Facebook , Twitter etc. You just never know, it might actually get heard in Parliament. We are supposed to be a nation of animal lovers after all. Compassion in the welfare of those destined for the table doesn't mean we all have to become vegans/vegetarians etc.

Oh I forgot to say, the ignorant consumers who have been exploited by Hadith Islam Fundamentalists includes those very high profile ones in No 10. At our expense as well. They or one in particular thinks he knows however he needs to speak with Dr Hargey and be enlightened. I wish this would happen and the RSPCA should join them too.

The e-petition stands at 47,258 signatures this morning. Please keep it going and raise its profile to all you know. Mr Philip Lymbery, CEO of Compassion in World farming spoke about this issue on ITV's Good Morning Britain program on Friday. I didn't see him as I don't watch that program. Did anyone else?

Todays' DM is saying this. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2626032/Asda-Sainsburys-Tesco-sell-halal-meat-live-kill-animals-not-stunned.html

Just what is the actual truth and will they ever come clean and inform the public with clarity?

The extent of this just gets worse http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2630421/Top-British-universities-including-Oxford-Manchester-secretly-serve-Halal-meat-unknowing-students.html

Still there is no response from the Cabinet Office. With 57,816 signatures to date, it is looking hopeful that a hearing will happen. Now do they really believe the public ' don't care ' if their meat is halal or otherwise?

Sadly Gladys, that is a very poor representation from the number of adults within this country.

We need to get more organised and give the politicians grief, as many of these whining minority groups do. We need to exploit and use democracy properly, just as they do.

Unfortunately, the average Brit is lazy and doesn't care less as long as he has his fags, booze, reality TV and football. - On that basis, we deserve much of what we get.

We fought for democracy, but we can't be bothered to use it. I'd imprison non voters!

Yes, I know its a very small sample but these e-petitions only need 100,000 to gain merit for a hearing. Its now 58,121 just now so seems to be rising steadily by the day. Press on and spread the word to friends and family; don't be apathetic but be pro-active and fight for it. As for voting Rebbonk, I am totally confused as to which lot to vote for. Mr C and his party don't seem to be cutting the mustard and his stance on this very topic dismays me, Mr Clegg's lot are responsible for the debacle now operating within the NHS and leaving it in such a state, Mr Farage seems to have an all together different agenda which I fear may be hidden regarding immigration and immigrants. Remember that Polish soldiers helped us to fight in both World wars and as shown by Prince Harry's ceremonial salute in Estonia today, so did Estonia help us. These are but a few examples. Racism is the danger with UKIP I fear but please correct me if I am wrong. Now, where do you start with finding a party that is actually going to do the good it purports in its manifesto?

Dismay, dismay- Hadith Islam Fundamentalism again!!! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651779/Bid-end-suffering-chickens-blocked-Muslims-complain-undermine-rights-slaughter-birds-according-Islamic-rituals.html Dr Taj Hargey needs a loud speaker so his sensible knowledge is heard in London. The E-Petition stands at 66,111 this morning. Again, tell friends and family (if they haven't already) to sign it and to pass it on.