Listen to this- it says it all.[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKV2oeS4vw8[/url]

I post the lyrics too


Sami Yusuf -- Forgotten Promises

[url]http://www.islamiclyrics.net/sami-yusuf/forgotten-promises/[/url]

TONIGHT THE WORLD WILL SLEEP
BUT HUNGER WILL NOT WAIT
FOR PROMISES WE MADE
WE SHARE ONE SOUL
WE SHARE ONE LAND
WE HAVE ONE TIME TO UNDERSTAND

WE ARE ONE HUMANKIND
BROTHERS SIDE BY SIDE
WE’LL HAVE NO REGRET
WE WILL NOT FORGET
WE ARE ONE HUMANKIND
SISTERS SIDE BY SIDE
WE’LL HAVE NO REGRET
WE WILL NOT FORGET

(ARABIC)
سامحنا يالله وارحمنا يارباه وامنح رزقك للافواه وابعد عنها كل الاه
SAMIHNA YA ALLAH
FORGIVE US O LORD

WA IRRHAMNA YA RABBAH
HAVE MERCY ON US O LORD

WA IMNAH RIZQAKA LIL-AFWAH
GIVE YOUR BOUNTY TO THE MOUTHS

WA ABI’D ANHA KUL AL-AAH
AND KEEP AWAY FROM THEM ALL THE MOANS AND GROANS

OUR WORDS MUST COUNT
HUNGER WILL NOT WAIT
FOR PROMISES WE MADE
WE SHARE ONE SOUL
WE SHARE ONE LAND
WE HAVE ONE TIME TO UNDERSTAND

WE ARE ONE HUMANKIND
BROTHERS SIDE BY SIDE
WE’LL HAVE NO REGRET
WE WILL NOT FORGET
WE ARE ONE HUMANKIND
SISTERS SIDE BY SIDE
WE’LL HAVE NO REGRET
WE WILL NOT FORGET

(ARABIC)
سامحنا يالله وارحمنا يارباه وامنح رزقك للافواه وابعد عنها كل الاه
SAMIHNA YA ALLAH
FORGIVE US O LORD

WA IRRHAMNA YA RABBAH
HAVE MERCY ON US O LORD

WA IMNAH RIZQAKA LIL-AFWAH
GIVE YOUR BOUNTY TO THE MOUTHS

WA ABI’D ANHA KUL AL-AAH
AND KEEP AWAY FROM THEM ALL THE MOANS AND GROANS

OUR WORDS MUST COUNT
HUNGER WILL NOT WAIT
FOR PROMISES WE MADE

Music by Sami Yusuf
English words by Will Knox
Arabic words by Dr. Shihab Ghanem
Produced by Sami Yusuf

Sign this e-petition in a move to stop Isis using the media to promote their activities.[url]http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/70336[/url]

I worry that many are born and bred here so not necessarily asylum seekers. There seems to be several cult cells functioning in 'ordinary ' settings. Whether that is the ' After School Club ' or the local chip shop, I don't know but its a covert operation to undermine, poison and infect young people with a disease so deadly we are all at risk from its effects.

So in the light of the fact , this murder was committed on Friday; the Muslim day of prayer and the Hajj in Mecca is finished tonight, this is an act of atrocity, Not one of faith in Islam.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2780634/Muslims-end-hajj-pilgrimage-Mecca-Eid-al-Adha-Feast-Sacrifice-begins.html[/url]

Bottom line Gladys, these people are incompatible with our ways. We ought never have agreed to let them settle here in the first place; the rules on asylum are quite clear, the first safe haven. The UK is never going to be the first safe haven. As regards those that aren't asylum seekers, they ought simply have been turned away.

Sadly, that opportunity has now gone, but we have an inept government that is still refusing to act to protect those that elected it.

Unfortunately, their brothers and sisters are here and I fear it won't be long before some awful happening occurs at home due to them. Its a race against time to flush them out and get rid of them. They need to be removed from our land except British Law has scalped itself by being too caught up in process and rights. They don't deserve rights and need to be ' processed.' Our judiciary and its system is to them a laugh. If caught alive, they'll be locked away in a warm, clean cell with en suite facilities, TV and a chance to gain further degrees to promote their self esteem. Oh and I forgot to say, they'll have visitors as is their right and so it goes on.... Let's hope the Americans get those who are in the Middle East - fried toast comes to mind!

I'd pull every one who doesn't belong in the ME out and let them get on with it. But it won't happen because money is being made and there is oil!

The biggest problem is that we don't actually understand the various tribes and sects that make up the ME. They'll fight with us today, but fight for the other side tomorrow. They have no loyalty as we understand it. There are scraps and feuds going back thousands of years, scores are being settled and acts of revenge being carried out.

Should any UK national wish to go and fight out there, I'd let them go, but also be telling them that they wouldn't be coming back here.

I kind of knew this would happen.
Every bit of sobbing and pleading from family, friends for forgiveness, is a nail in that captured person's coffin. Conscience is not in their dictionary. They love the power they hold and begging for mercy on t v only incites them to hysterically kill again.To let us all knowjust who holds the upper hand. I'm all for Boris.

It is a cult, not a belief. Islam, Christians and other beliefs and religions are kind ; these Isis are not. They are; Barbaric, despicable, inhuman, cruel, heartless, depraved, mind+++ked, mentally ill,not normal, easily persuaded, easily lead, angry, etc etc. I have started an e-petition. Once it is accepted, join with me and my cult! RIP you poor Dear Innocent men.(and women)

The pond life have struck again if the News just now is right. They have beheaded Stephen Sotlov -(spelling) RIP.

[quote="rebbonk"]I offer up the following as a discussion point...

[video=youtube;iI74lOgfxk4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iI74lOgfxk4[/video][/quote]

Excellent video rebbonk,

It would be very good if this video could find a much wider audience , because what this lady has to say is so important that many more people need to know about these facts. She also made a very good point that whenever they are confronted, they never say how the radicals are to be confronted and they seem to be in constant denial over what the hot heads are doing. There seems to be a real problem they have with reality generally. Everything she says is bang on the money. One thing I would add is this: One of the real problems with the Islamic religion is that they have no overall authority figure. So you get countless Imams, but nobody really above them. It is impossible to enter into a dialogue when there are no real global authority figures.

I also agree with the speaker that they take advantage of citizenship and all they constantly do is talk about Islam and they clearly have no understanding of the duties of living in a democratic state.

They also tend to bring up the Nazis. They say Hitler is not representative of western civilization but we keep going on about radicals as though they are representative. The Nazis held power for twelve years and were a small proportiion of a country of 60 million. Islam is a religion that is fifteen hundred years old and has over a billion followers! There is just no comparison. The radicals clearly represent huge numbers of Muslims world-wide. It's the revolutionaries who cause the problems.

Of course, the Muslim lady is right Islam is a religion of peace. You either accept Islam in a peaceful way and if you don't you can be forceably converted.

Do a search for "Chris Spivey" Gladys. - Actually, don't if you are easily shocked and upset by bad language.

He has some interesting thoughts on the Foley case (amongst others!). Now, I don't often subscribe to conspiracy theories (especially the more outlandish ones), but this guy seems to be needling people in the wrong places. He was recently raided and arrested in the early hours of the morning for 'harassment' of all things.

I begin to think that there might be 'dark' forces at work in the UK

No, I think they hold life and individuals as 'replaceable. '

I think you have touched on an important point Gladys. Those involved in this particular episode don't hold life as dear or as precious as we do.

I'm with you Rebbonk; two wrongs don't make a right. Except 'removing ' such people from society seems to be a must so they cannot spread their poison and then commit and cause murderous acts. I think this whole woven web needs a seriously new style of undercover stealth to identify and then to capture perpetrators. They have to be isolated from each other too. The man who beheaded Mr Foley needs a similar fate but then as I started out by saying ' two wrongs don't ...' I am contradicting myself. It just raises up a boiling fury at the cruel callous heartlessness of this man and those who do the same as he did. They are not decent human beings and don't deserve to breath anymore. Islam says ' an eye for an eye etc ' but our legal system just isn't strong enough to give just desserts. What is just desserts in a decent balanced society? I suppose that is my question.

This is reported to be Boris' solution. [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2733659/Jihadi-John-killed-bomb-attack-fellow-wackos-banned-returning-Britain-says-Boris-Johnson.html[/url]

His usual 'no nonsense ' approach to matters is a style I do like and I also agree that those identified as supporters of ISIS and the Jihadi regime should be banned from returning here. We don't need them nor want them. They don't deserve our British legal 'decency.'

The problem is Gladys, (at least the way I see it) is that violence only breeds further violence. - Unless you are prepared to wipe the other side off the face of the earth?

I really don't see any answer until all parties are prepared to be sensible, compromise and live accepting/respecting each other's beliefs and ways of life. (And I don't see that happening any time soon, do you?)

But, oil and water don't mix, so there are little pressure kegs all over the earth, only awaiting a spark to set off a 9/11 type event....

So where do we go from here?

Mmm- Not ideal in my view but how do you stop fantasists rising up and causing appalling mass murder? How do you identify them in the first place? They are people like you and I and do not have a dayglo sign above their heads saying ' I'm a murderous fanatic.'