View Full Version : All The Usual Excuses.....

17-09-2013, 07:35 AM

17-09-2013, 07:46 AM
Its all so obvious in retrospect. Sadly, little Daniel has been let down and we can do nothing for him except try to learn by the mistakes and the omissions of the Services who yet again were involved. The police went to the home on 26 separate occasions. They were called by concerned ? neighbours who heard domestic abuse and who were worried. The police didn't see what now they may have done if their eyes and ears were wide open. The teachers and teaching assistants who noted his bruises, his hunger and his weight loss,All this demonstrates the need for vigilance and the courage to venture into the possibility by enquiring in case safeguarding is urgently required. How many other children are out there now who are showing signs they need help but who are not getting it?

17-09-2013, 03:53 PM
It is high time we started holding people personally accountable in their employment. Until we take that particular step, all we'll get are "mistakes were made, lesson will be learned" platitudes from those in office. Nothing will change and as Gladys rightly asks, how many others are there...

18-09-2013, 11:45 AM
Accountability- by the current standards it would seem that most in office cannot even spell it let alone know what it means but Yes, this is what is required.

26-11-2013, 04:08 PM
Ooh,a national debate. That'll help protect the kids.

26-11-2013, 04:52 PM
Words are cheap.

It's about time we saw some action with those in office being held properly accountable.

26-11-2013, 05:24 PM
The matters of Haringey and Miss Shoesmith's Unfair Dismissal award do not bide well with this. They may not have followed correct procedure in dismissing her and for that she gets the payout. However, she would have been dismissed anyway for the failings of her department and the staff with in it as the buck stops with her. So why does she get a reported massive £600,000? That isn't accountability at all.

26-11-2013, 09:41 PM
Sadly Gladys, that imbecile Balls must be held accountable here. He acted with a knee-jerk to suit his own aims rather than think things through.

26-11-2013, 10:15 PM
Rebbonk, you're right , so why hasn't he been going through a Dismissal?

27-11-2013, 08:35 AM
I really don't know. The guy is a buffoon and a walking disaster, yet at the moment he seems to be leading a charmed life. Bit like Teflon Tone.

17-01-2014, 08:53 AM
Well, that's something we didn't know....

17-01-2014, 09:13 AM
Makes you sick doesn't it?

"Mr Walsh said: "I could never give assurances this could never happen again."

I know social services do a difficult job, I know they're damned whatever they do, and I know that they're understaffed... but this admission is almost beyond belief.

17-01-2014, 10:53 AM
Its frightening beyond belief and this is just one Social Service Department. What the others across the UK are ' not ' doing is also a worry.

20-01-2014, 03:40 PM
Sadly Social Services in Fife,Scotland seem to be under scrutiny in the sad case of little Mikaeel Kular. It seems he and his siblings slipped from their radar when they moved to Edinburgh. The Mother is today charged with his murder.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542612/Mikaeel-Kulars-mother-Rosdeep-Kular-appears-court-sons-death.html

I had hoped they would find the cause of his death was some terrible tragic accident and she'd panicked. RIP little one.

06-02-2014, 02:20 PM
Apparently, someone's 'acting on' 'lessons learned'. Anyone else believe what's being said?

08-02-2014, 03:31 PM
Mmmm.... It still isn't a joined up process though. Different Cities, different A&Es, Councils, Social Services Departments all with different procedures and processes. It all seems to focus around a need for better communication within a service and between agencies as well as a better educated workforce all round. Educated to identify possible abuse and to act on it with courage. Putting the child first. I hark back to Fife. That dear little one was let down by a system that failed to follow-up his Health visitor's and social services monitoring for the fact he no longer lived in the area. There isn't anything in place to make it mandatory to declare these things. Any child within the care system should not be allowed to be removed by the parents or carers without a handover to the new area team. The remaining family in Fife would have known where the children had moved to, why weren't they made to tell?

09-02-2014, 09:37 AM
:mad: All The Usual Excuses.....

They are just empty words. For the reasons Gladys has outlined the different processes are not joined up, also, the words are to placate the reader/listener and take the heat off by giving the impression that something will be done and they will look into it etc. But guess what? Give it a little while and the headlines of different tragedy will be splashed across the papers.

09-02-2014, 03:19 PM
Sadly, I have to agree, Shizara. Until the Government grabs the matter by the horns and sets up statute or some such similar legally controlled unified process and procedure to be immediately implemented at the outset of any suspicion of abuse, then it will keep happening. It has to be uniform and country wide so everyone is reading from the same page and from the same book but not only that, they need to be communicating together for the child's needs.

25-02-2014, 07:20 AM
However large or small the budget, social services across the country will still fail kids: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-26327411

25-02-2014, 12:20 PM
An Increase to the budget for these services is a justified use of public funds. Spending funds on the new train line into the Birmingham area from London for example may not be totally justified. (in my opinion and there may be a better example of unpopular/wasteful spending) I was told by a WPC on Friday that the Government are aiming to axe 25,000 police officers from forces across the UK which to her and to me sounds nuts. The Health Service are actively aiming to recruit 4000 nurses to train as Health Visitors by 2015 in order to fulfill the need that is so badly served right now shown by the failings in recent childrens' deaths. Our population and the diversity of the cultures that make it up is increasing. So, why are we not stepping up the numbers of professionals in the support systems that will be called upon?

21-03-2014, 09:39 AM
Really? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-26672646

21-03-2014, 09:42 AM
Really? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-26672646

Quelle surprise!

Nothing will change, it's the same old platitudes being rolled out

13-04-2014, 07:27 AM
It gets better! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-26980614

13-04-2014, 10:18 AM
CCC couldn't run the proverbial in a brewery.

I have a complaint in with them at the moment (I already know they will conveniently rule against me, despite several other complaints in the same vein.).

If we had the right to dismiss councillors and officers for lethargy, incompetence and general stupidity there would be quite a few vacant seats in CCC's chambers!

08-05-2014, 06:47 PM
I have only 1 response to this: doubling over with laughter!

08-05-2014, 09:26 PM
Bl**dy hell, you really couldn't make that up!

13-05-2014, 07:48 PM
Let the proof be in the pudding ... Along with other things starting with 'P' such as potholes

17-05-2014, 12:25 PM
Apparently, According to the News this morning, the powers that are have decided to meet to decide on out sourcing Child Protection Services for England and Wales. Is this so when it goes wrong and the failings of one Council or another and its Social Services Department are not blamed ?

31-05-2014, 07:33 PM
Good god; someone actually got the boot for this!!!

31-05-2014, 09:02 PM
Is it really 'the boot' though Lex?

I'll put money that he'll appear in another well paid post shortly.

01-06-2014, 12:31 PM
You could be right - we'll have to wait and see.

18-06-2014, 11:56 AM
I have a complaint in with them at the moment (I already know they will conveniently rule against me, despite several other complaints in the same vein.)

Well, I was wrong. They agreed with my complaints but passed the buck to their suppliers! Oh, they did say 'sorry!' several times - Big deal!

Bottom line, if ars*hol*s could fly, Coventry City Council house would be an airport! It truly sickens me that we pay through the nose for such slipshod service.

Oh, took them long enough to rely as well didn't it?

27-06-2014, 07:48 AM
An interim boss has been appointed. No prospect improvement in the immediate future, then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-28033463

27-06-2014, 10:34 AM
From one interim post to another...!

My views on this are unprintable.

23-07-2014, 07:22 PM
The language I want to use would cause me to instantly ban myself from WOL.
As it is, I'm contemplating giving my job up, retraining as a social worker, and letting a child die because I can't be bothered doing my job. It seems to be worth my while: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28454800

23-07-2014, 08:45 PM
The term 'bitch' is far too lenient!

24-07-2014, 08:28 PM
Damn right!

26-08-2014, 05:45 PM
Even worse is going in in Rotherham. I'm not even going to post a link; just re-read the thread, you'll get the gist.

27-08-2014, 12:03 PM
I'm afraid, it isn't just Rotherham. This has been happening across the UK. I fear much more will emerge. Depraved comes to mind with shear unashamed twisted sickness.

27-08-2014, 12:08 PM
Those at the top (read the establishment) will not get touched. This was (is) very common, but only those at the lower end of society will be punished for what they have done. Other than the odd sacrificial lamb, don't hold your breath on those really behind it to be brought to justice or be publicly named.

27-08-2014, 04:08 PM
Poor damaged and abused kids, they will most probably grow up in this already dysfunctional society not trusting anybody and wondering what the meaning of life really is. This saddens me so much.

I'm sure there was a time when England was never lilke this. Or was it swept under the carpet even going back to the Victorian era. What a depressing thought.

10-09-2014, 06:55 PM
I'm surprised; are you?

10-09-2014, 09:37 PM
As we've said before, those at the top will be protected at all costs!

There will be many other files missing, if it looks like prosecutions might take place

13-09-2014, 08:23 AM
Another review. Great.

30-09-2014, 06:20 PM
Coventry Child Protection Hub has opened. I'm not getting my hopes up, I'll only be disappointed id I do.

30-09-2014, 08:49 PM
Why do we even bother paying lip-service to it all?

How many more times are we to see repeats of the past before someone in power has the gonads to actually do something decisive to protect our children?

I think we all know why it'll not happen, but to say so leaves us open to cat calls and unfounded allegations of racism or worse.

08-10-2014, 06:54 PM
I really don't think the lessons are learned at all as they keep walking down the same path and producing much in the way of empty words, then lo and behold, the same issues come up again.

08-10-2014, 08:50 PM
'lessons learned' is nothing more than a glib cliché!

11-12-2014, 03:45 PM
Good: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-30396550

11-12-2014, 04:27 PM
Hard to have a shred of sympathy for them isn't it?

11-12-2014, 06:45 PM
I struggled to shed a tear for their ruined lives.

11-12-2014, 07:23 PM
Nothing really surprises me these days, but the reason behind such acts really puzzles me.

Why did they behave in such a way? How could they care so little for a child's life?

12-12-2014, 06:42 AM
It's sickening , 30 years isn't enough for these soulless creatures. Having a child obviously interfered with their filthy dabauched, depraved, vacuous, pointless lives. Animals rear their young better than they did.

14-01-2015, 04:14 PM
Another fine example of how badly Coventry's social services are run: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-30809867

14-01-2015, 05:04 PM
It's good that these things are being highlighted, but I wonder just how many of Coventry's inhabitants know about this maladministration?

Sadly, Coventry citizens will continue getting this, until they collectively get off their backsides and do something about this rotten to the core council. The local population needs to take an active interest in what goes on around them and needs to be bothered to turn out at local elections.

14-01-2015, 09:18 PM
Sadly, I've seen this many times - both in the public & private sectors. A lot of the time, the answer seems to be that these people need to be read the metaphorical riot act, and told to pull their socks up; and if that doesn't work the front door is pointed out to them.
I've been in pseudo-supervisory roles in several jobs, and found that this tactic often works really well - first nicey, nicey; second, the riot act; thirdly tell them where the door is!

17-02-2015, 06:11 PM
As we all expected, nothing's changed. Teachers can't be bothered taking responsibility for the children in their care: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-31464953

02-03-2015, 06:58 PM
I'm sure Ed Sheeran is doing this as an act of altruism, and not at all as a publicity stunt: http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/ed-sheeran-joins-warwickshire-fight-8750894

10-06-2015, 09:10 PM
Apparently it wasn't the fault of the GP either (according to the GP): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33084344

10-06-2015, 10:01 PM
The GP concerned is my GP. I'm honestly disgusted that he's been dragged into this. He's basically a good and decent guy.

What I believe we're seeing is a deliberate fogging of the issues by social services who failed this poor child. Social services are at fault, they screwed up, yet they aren't prepared to accept it. Mark my words, we will see a repeat of this because the narcissistic social services refuse to take responsibility.

11-06-2015, 08:27 PM
I think you might have hit the nail on the head there Mr R. The SS (comparison intended) were the responsible party, although the GP sadly slipped up on this occasion: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33098413

14-07-2015, 09:07 PM

A mother who starved and murdered her four-year-old son has died in jail.

Magdalena Luczak and her partner Mariusz Krezolek were each jailed for a minimum of 30 years for murdering Daniel Pelka.

He was starved and beaten for months before he died from a head injury in March 2012 at his Coventry home.

Luczak, 29, died in her cell at HMP Foston Hall Prison in Derbyshire. The Ministry of Justice said the circumstances would be investigated


14-07-2015, 09:55 PM
Hard to shed a tear isn't it?

I wonder what the investigation will turn up? My bet is suicide because she couldn't face another 28 years behind bars.

15-07-2015, 10:03 AM
I might be right...

Local Rag (http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/daniel-pelka-evil-mum-commits-9659813)

A Coventry mum who murdered her four-year-old son committed suicide on the eve of his birthday, it has been claimed.

According to the Daily Mirror, a source has revealed that evil Magdalena Luczak killed herself in her cell.

15-07-2015, 02:57 PM
Apparently they had a criminal record in Poland too. How the hell were these sub-human ogres allowed in this country. :(

15-07-2015, 04:23 PM
That is a question I often ask, Margaret. We seem to be a dumping ground for all of Europe's (and further) dross. I think the Home Office has badly let us down by not carrying out the most basic of checks: of course, we mustn't forget Teflon Tone who decreed that we'd let all and sundry in to keep him in power because we'd give them money and houses.

The 'man in the street' is so often smarter than those we elect to lead us and to look out for us.

15-07-2015, 09:48 PM
A mother who starved and murdered her four-year-old son has died in jail.

I hope it was a long, drawn out death.

29-01-2016, 04:10 PM
Shame: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35443416

29-01-2016, 04:16 PM
I have no sympathy for the parents, but can't help thinking that we've seen 3 lives lost needlessly.