Warwick Mop

All those in favour ..... See you their.

All those against .... Close down your shops, get a life in a field milking cows, change your surname to " Killjoy " and wither away peacefully.

Iv'e read some crap in my time but this takes the biscuit.

These people are moaning and making accusations simply because they can't get their own way. I bet you guys have NEVER done anything wrong in your ENTIRE LIVES. Not even too messing with the tax returns....... YEAH RIGHT.

Stop moaning and think about the money thats put into the town because of the MOP.......Ahhhh, that could be the problem, It's put into the town and not your greedy little pockets.
I bet if you were allowed to charge a showman a couple of grand to set up outside your premisses you would bring him tea and biccys all day.....LOL, you sad sad people.



Fred

[chillitt]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

hmm as i understand people are entitled to their opinion there are a lot of untrue things said on here especially about the showmens guild,they are not run by a bunch of gangsters as someone seems to think,as for the apparent violence where on earth are the police but nobody seems to be having a go about them.dont you have violence on youre streets on any normal weekend night then?maybe warwick council should take a leaf out of neath porttalbot councils books who part run great fair which also has a charter going back 850 years,the council have erected new lampposts with power points and underground hidden power points which can be lowered and raised when needed,youll find no generators in that town center,perhaps you could check youre facts before present such ill informed nonsense.

Warwick town centre has the very same power points that are hidden under man holes for your convienience. yet we still the generators.

[chillitt]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

dear toad and chillit,where do you get your facts from the daily sport!!!as has been pointed out the only thing that can stop a ROYAL charter is an act of parliament which is supported by mps then voted for in the house of lords.as for bribary this is what you are doing by using lies to get people to support youre pointless demonstration,also the showmens guild pay lots of rent to be there for the mop which increases each year above inflation,this rent goes a long way towards the councils spending budget.how would you feel if youre taxes shot up as a result of the mop being stopped somehow,i wonder.

I get my facts from looking out my door at the shambles. Er, how much rent exactly does the guild pay for the mop? I understand it will have to pay extra this year due to the parking meters being installed, thats only what I have heard, can you confirm that?

[chillitt]

Originally Posted by FunFairFred

All those in favour ..... See you their.

All those against .... Close down your shops, get a life in a field milking cows, change your surname to " Killjoy " and wither away peacefully.

Iv'e read some crap in my time but this takes the biscuit.

These people are moaning and making accusations simply because they can't get their own way. I bet you guys have NEVER done anything wrong in your ENTIRE LIVES. Not even too messing with the tax returns....... YEAH RIGHT.

Stop moaning and think about the money thats put into the town because of the MOP.......Ahhhh, that could be the problem, It's put into the town and not your greedy little pockets.
I bet if you were allowed to charge a showman a couple of grand to set up outside your premisses you would bring him tea and biccys all day.....LOL, you sad sad people.



Fred

I don't want to spoil your fun, or anyone elses, but I cannot for the life of me see why the mop cannot be held on the racecourse. Any figures on how much money you bring into Warwick? or figures on the cost of policing and clearing up?

You have called me a greedy killjoy and accused me of fiddling tax returns. Care to back that up, or are you just "moaning and making accusations"?
and you aint ever, getting any of my biscuits!

Originally Posted by chillitt

I get my facts from looking out my door at the shambles. Er, how much rent exactly does the guild pay for the mop? I understand it will have to pay extra this year due to the parking meters being installed, thats only what I have heard, can you confirm that?

the couple of quid rent quoted on here is just a token rent in keeping with law and tradition but the actual rent paid by the various rides stalls etc runs into the thousands to pay policing,24 hour street cleaning and refuse collection,i think youll find the cost for policing, extra fire service and ambulance cover,refuse and street cleaning,and loss of parking revenue, comes to about 73 percent of rent collected,maybe your rants should be aimed at the council not the showmen who are just trying to make an honest living,if any oil or diesel is unfortunatly spilled the showmen do and quite happily will pay a large fee on top of the rent to clean the mess up properly,do the guild provide free ride tickets and a free morning for the underprivelidged kids in warwick at this fair cos i notice their charity work hasnt been given a mention.as for paying extra for parking meters that are installed thats also nonsense

[chillitt]

Thank you for those details.. I meant the actual amounts, to put it all into perspective with the lost earnings of the shops in the town. I may do the old freedom of information thing with the council. If they make a profit on this it would explain why it still blocks up the town centre. Still they would still get just as much money from having on the racecourse, presumably...

Originally Posted by chillitt

I don't want to spoil your fun, or anyone elses, but I cannot for the life of me see why the mop cannot be held on the racecourse. Any figures on how much money you bring into Warwick? or figures on the cost of policing and clearing up?

You have called me a greedy killjoy and accused me of fiddling tax returns. Care to back that up, or are you just "moaning and making accusations"?
and you aint ever, getting any of my biscuits!

it cannot be moved to the racecourse cos a. where will all the living wagons go(into the town center?)and b. it will probably lose its charter if moved.

Originally Posted by chillitt

Thank you for those details.. I meant the actual amounts, to put it all into perspective with the lost earnings of the shops in the town. I may do the old freedom of information thing with the council. If they make a profit on this it would explain why it still blocks up the town centre. Still they would still get just as much money from having on the racecourse, presumably...

as for actual amounts a lot of money is passed that week so only the treasurers will know actual amounts ,dont forget if its moved to the racecourse the rent will be paid to the race course which doesnt include loss of parking extra fire and ambulance cover etc etc losing the council tens of thousands a year(assuming the race course is not owned by council)i doubt the freedom of info thing works with this because of the royal protection attatched to it.

[chillitt]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

it cannot be moved to the racecourse cos a. where will all the living wagons go(into the town center?)and b. it will probably lose its charter if moved.

Its a big racecourse...

[chillitt]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

as for actual amounts a lot of money is passed that week so only the treasurers will know actual amounts ,dont forget if its moved to the racecourse the rent will be paid to the race course which doesnt include loss of parking extra fire and ambulance cover etc etc losing the council tens of thousands a year(assuming the race course is not owned by council)i doubt the freedom of info thing works with this because of the royal protection attatched to it.

So an unknown amount of money is handed over to the council... I think the council records will show amounts recieved and where from. Public accountability and all that...

Originally Posted by chillitt

So an unknown amount of money is handed over to the council... I think the council records will show amounts recieved and where from. Public accountability and all that...

its not an anknown amount cos the coucils acountants will have all the info theres nothing sinister or underhand going on even if you want there to be,maybe you should go on a fact finding mission to some well run charter fairs ,neath ,hereford,hull,nottingham etc where the local businesses welcome and embrace their fair and open their shops till 10 at night ,some businesses even quoting they make more during fair week than in jan and feb!!! and present youre info to the council maybe theyll take you more seriously then.

[chillitt]

Are you sure this Charter is a Royal Charter? if it is, it can be ammended by applying to the Privy Council office, no need to lose it if the mop moves. I cannot find the Showmans Guild or Warwick itself on the list of Royal charters. Any idea of the date it was made? The charter itself is mentioned in many history books, but the Privy Council who would oversee it if it was royal has no mention...

edit... found this..
WARWICK 4282 2650. Borough 914 (BF, p. 175). Mint possibly 924–39, 970s–1154. 1334 Subsidy £84.67: the value is that of Warwick ‘within’; the value of Warwick ‘without’ was £110.17. Borough built by Athelflaed of Mercia in 914; burh in Burghal Hidage and borough in Domesday Book (BF, p. 175; Defence, p. 222; Darby, p. 367). Market town c.1600 (Everitt, p. 475). See also VCH Warwickshire, viii, pp. 480–1, 497.
M (Prescriptive: borough, mint) recorded 1088x1119 when Henry de Beaumont, earl of Warwick, granted a tenth of the toll to one of his priests. Market recorded in the mid thirteenth century. In 1279, the market days were Wed and Sat (VCH Warwickshire, viii, p. 480).
F (Charter) vfm+5, Peter ad Vincula (1 Aug); gr 5 Oct 1261, by K Hen III to John de Plessis, earl of Warwick and his successors in the earldom (E. Mason ed. The Beauchamp Cartulary Charters, 1100–1268, PRS ns 43 (1980), no. 309). On 22 Sept 1262, John de Plessis, earl of Warwick granted to his burgesses a fair on 6+f+8 Peter ad Vincula, following his petition to the king (E. Mason ed. The Beauchamp Cartulary Charters, 1100–1268, PRS ns 43 (1980), no. 308).
F (Charter) vf+5, Michael (29 Sept); gr 6 Nov 1268, by K Hen III to William de Bello Campo, earl of Warwick. To be held at the manor (CChR, 1257–1300, p. 114). On 16 Jul 1413, Richard Beauchamp, earl of Warwick, the king’s cousin, stated that the yearly fair held for 3 days at Michaelmas, granted to the bailiffs, burgesses and other commons of Warwick, was of no profit. On that day there were six or seven other fairs in the neighborhood. K Ric II granted Earl Richard and his heirs that the bailiffs, burgesses and other commons could have a fair in the borough on vfm Bartholomew (24 Aug) in lieu (CChR, 1341–1417, p. 455).
F (Charter) vfm+12, Peter and Paul (29 Jun); gr 25 Aug 1290, by K Edw I to William de Bello Campo, earl of Warwick (CChR, 1257–1300, p. 371). To be held at the manor.
F (Grant: Other) 3 day fair on f Simon and Jude (28 Oct); gr 1479 (VCH Warwickshire, viii, pp. 480–1).
F (Grant: Other) 3 day fair on f Philip and James (1 May); gr 1479 (VCH Warwickshire, viii, pp. 480–1).
How does this relate to the current mop and its precise location???

Hiya, I'm a local resident and me and my children look forward to the fair coming, as for dirty diesell generators, think of the days when everything was powered by steam, no one complained then when they had coal being burnt next to the shops, so I think I'd rather have the modern diesell generators! Maybe the councill should run all the rides of the town mains? Or local shop owners could be more helpfull and let the smaller rides plug into there electricity supply? Or maybe you killjoys should shut up!
Its a great tradition and long may it continue, afterall the statue of Randolph Turpin in the town is a great tribute to a man who learnt his art on the Fairground Boxing Booths.

Its obvious alot more people are in favour of the fairground than against, you've just got this sad individual called chill it on here, I think he should chill it! By the way which shop is actually yours? Maybe we should start some sort of protest to have that closed down aswell?!

At last somone who has a bit of common sense. Warwick mop has a long tradition going back hundreds of years. If it was moved to the racecourse ( WITCH WILL NEVER HAPPEN ) it would lose its atmosfere that it has in the streets.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hiya, I'm a local resident and me and my children look forward to the fair coming, as for dirty diesell generators, think of the days when everything was powered by steam, no one complained then when they had coal being burnt next to the shops, so I think I'd rather have the modern diesell generators! Maybe the councill should run all the rides of the town mains? Or local shop owners could be more helpfull and let the smaller rides plug into there electricity supply? Or maybe you killjoys should shut up!
Its a great tradition and long may it continue, afterall the statue of Randolph Turpin in the town is a great tribute to a man who learnt his art on the Fairground Boxing Booths.

THATS A GOOD IDEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEE HOW CHILL IT LIKES IT. LETS START A CLOSE DOWN CHILL IT CAMPAIN !!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Its obvious alot more people are in favour of the fairground than against, you've just got this sad individual called chill it on here, I think he should chill it! By the way which shop is actually yours? Maybe we should start some sort of protest to have that closed down aswell?!