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    Can the UK Courts overuse the Brexit vote?

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    The Brexit referendum was not legally binding, it was only an expression of our wishes. It is up to the government and Parliament to act (or not) on our wishes.

    My understanding is that the courts are only there to ensure that whatever actions the government take are done legally.

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    Oh yes, I know it is not legally binding, but the Government can also choose to take action on the will of the people in a referendum, I just hope we will go through with it, I don't think people understand why it is taking so long.
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    I said all along it would be one heck of a game for us to rid ourselves of the EU.

    I don't believe we've helped ourselves by employing a remainer as PM. - Deliberate 'establishment' meddling?

    As far as I can see, all this talk about hard and soft brexit is just a smokescreen. The people gave their view, they wanted out and that meant totally out. I believe what we're seeing is a deliberate attempt to subvert the will of the people in such a way that they don't realise they've been shafted.

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    NZ is lining up for a trade deal with the UK as well. The only possible snag is the lack of British negotiators specialising in this area: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38608716

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    The British ex-EU ambassador may not be far wrong when he said it might take 10 years to sort out the UK-EU relationship; once the negotiations have been completed (which are going to be a nightmare in themselves), the deal will have to be ratified by the EU - which will involve 27 nations haggling for months: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38613027

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    I don't see it that way Lex. After the 2 years the deal is on the table. We take it or leave it. If we walk away we're free of the interfering EU. All this talk about extended negotiations is a backdoor way of keeping us (and our money) tied to the EU.

    Should we simply walk away (as we could/should do) Merkel will sh*t herself. She can't afford to lose the motor industry trade with us, never mind the rest. We have a strong hand that the limp-wristed remainers are trying to detract from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebbonk View Post
    The Brexit referendum was not legally binding, it was only an expression of our wishes. It is up to the government and Parliament to act (or not) on our wishes.

    My understanding is that the courts are only there to ensure that whatever actions the government take are done legally.
    I don't believe many people knew the vote was not legally binding, or they wouldn't have voted. It was a very expensive conspiracy by those who did know.
    .. It has messed up the country even more and God knows it was bad enough. No-one knows from one day to the next what is happening, and May's mind games have made it worse.

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    A referendum is democracy in it's rawest form. Whilst it may not be legally binding, it would be a brave government to go against the will of the people. However, as you can see they are wriggling (brexit lite) so they can say they did what the people wanted. Ironically, all these shenanigans are what's costing the country at the moment, not the fact that the people expressed the view that the EU can get stuffed.

    The referendum was clear enough for a blind man to see. IN or OUT. - We voted out, and that means totally out. All these 'negotiations' are nothing more than a smokescreen to cover the fact that those in power wanted to remain, and are doing their damnest to do so via the backdoor.

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    The PM's finally set her wears out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208

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    There are still those that will try to subvert the will of the people.

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    I agree. Listening to May today makes me almost believe what she is saying.I think she now has realized which side her bread is buttered.If she gets it wrong and goes against the majority who voted out however small it was her career will be in jeopardy.
    She has taken all this time to find the right words for her plan, so maybe she is not so weak as I thought

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    The spanner-in-the-works lot have got their way; hopefully the Bill will be pushed through Parliament quickly, and the government can get on with planning & negotiating Brexit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38720320

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    This was always going to be the case, and the government knew it. Camoron could have prevented it with his referendum bill, but chose not to as the muppet thought he'd win.

    Little has changed, but I'm still of the opinion that there are those among the establishment that will try to subvert the public's will and have us remain with the undemocratic and expensive white elephant that is the EU. - Under whatever guise!

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    She certainly is a feisty and very intelligent, head-screwed-on-right kind of person!
    Last edited by Finebyme; 19-02-2017 at 08:52 AM.

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    Blair joining the Remainers is a gift to the Brexiteers. The man really doesn't seem to understand just how much he's despised and distrusted. AND, he's openly showing contempt for democracy. - We voted to leave! But then again, he never was one much for democracy!

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