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[jobee]

Will it be war as before?
Will they beat be to the floor?
Will ‘The Chill’ lunge his spear?
Will Optrex slap and buckle my ear?

Will Ronlyre ignore me still?
Even though I bring good will,
This time mending all my ways,
I’ll bring good cheer and halcyon.days.

Gentlemen and ladies to,
May I plead and beg of you,
Wrest the devil from my soul,
Cleanse and purify my whole.

For days I wondered round and round,
My eyes fixed sadly on the ground,
Cast aside and smitten through,
My handkerchief was sodden to.

My vitriolic tongue I hate,
Twill one day surely be my fate,
I can’t connect it to my brain,
Which long ago was judged insane.

I now return stripped of pride,
All my evils still inside,
Whilst you work, if I should yelp,
Bear in mind I need your

[optrex]

Welcome back Jobee

[jobee]

Originally Posted by optrex

Welcome back Jobee

Thank you optrex.

[Shizara]

jobee, back. It is so good to see you posting again. You really do write some heartfelt poems that are thought provoking.

Do consider putting them together as a collection. You have much to offer and much to teach.

[jobee]

Originally Posted by Shizara

jobee, back. It is so good to see you posting again. You really do write some heartfelt poems that are thought provoking.

Do consider putting them together as a collection. You have much to offer and much to teach.

I get criticised- but after going on a poetry course i decided to just doodle
rather than plan-i guess i'm just a naive doodler.

Coventry Web

[Shizara]

Originally Posted by jobee

I get criticised- but after going on a poetry course i decided to just doodle rather than plan-i guess i'm just a naive doodler.

If criticism is constructive then in can be of much benefit - albeit sometimes in the longterm - however, destructive criticism does no one any real benefit.

I have avoided poetry courses and indeed courses in art. The first time I painted in oils I was not interested in painting boring little boxes etc, I wanted to paint a picture. My first picture, a rose bud in a vase, reflected my interpretation of how I saw nature with it's depth and ranges of colour. Once I started to paint I continued in my own style, I guess, rather like a piano player who has never had piano lessons. - My Dad was a self taught musician from Liverpool. - I made that same application to writing rhymes, though, I can get bored if the style/theme is a case of tap, tap, tap repetition. So it will range from a portrait of a person, to a tale of something that happens in everyday life, to things designed to make you think. Much depending on my thoughts/emotions at the time and sometimes it is an outlet for things that are bothering me.

It is healthy and constructive to pass comments regarding the work of another. Constructive criticism hopefully upbuilds and gives food for thought.

[jobee]

Originally Posted by Shizara

If criticism is constructive then in can be of much benefit - albeit sometimes in the longterm - however, destructive criticism does no one any real benefit.

I have avoided poetry courses and indeed courses in art. The first time I painted in oils I was not interested in painting boring little boxes etc, I wanted to paint a picture. My first picture, a rose bud in a vase, reflected my interpretation of how I saw nature with it's depth and ranges of colour. Once I started to paint I continued in my own style, I guess, rather like a piano player who has never had piano lessons. - My Dad was a self taught musician from Liverpool. - I made that same application to writing rhymes, though, I can get bored if the style/theme is a case of tap, tap, tap repetition. So it will range from a portrait of a person, to a tale of something that happens in everyday life, to things designed to make you think. Much depending on my thoughts/emotions at the time and sometimes it is an outlet for things that are bothering me.

It is healthy and constructive to pass comments regarding the work of another. Constructive criticism hopefully upbuilds and gives food for thought.

I lived in liverpool for a couple of years off Aigburth rd, I left when i was 18.
I will experiment and try and get away from rhyming couplets.I dont like prose
much, maybe they are to clever for me.

[Shizara]

Originally Posted by jobee

I will experiment and try and get away from rhyming couplets.I dont like prose
much, maybe they are to clever for me.

Sometimes I think the boundaries of poetry are sometimes limited by the writer rather than by any written guidelines, which, in themselves are good, but not limiting. Poetry can take many forms and indeed, it is not essential that it rhymes either 2 lines at a time or even every second line. If it is flowing, so to speak, it will set a style almost naturally.

As for prose being too clever for you I would venture as far as saying probably not. Let your poetry 'happen', it is amazing how things will flow and take form.

There is a saying that goes "When the Student is Ready, the Teacher will appear." I have found this to be very much the case and the Teacher is not always someone older in chronological years

Keep writing jobee, keep sharing.

[jobee]

Originally Posted by Shizara

Sometimes I think the boundaries of poetry are sometimes limited by the writer rather than by any written guidelines, which, in themselves are good, but not limiting. Poetry can take many forms and indeed, it is not essential that it rhymes either 2 lines at a time or even every second line. If it is flowing, so to speak, it will set a style almost naturally.

As for prose being too clever for you I would venture as far as saying probably not. Let your poetry 'happen', it is amazing how things will flow and take form.

There is a saying that goes "When the Student is Ready, the Teacher will appear." I have found this to be very much the case and the Teacher is not always someone older in chronological years

Keep writing jobee, keep sharing.

What is your favourite poem AND artist?

[Shizara]

Originally Posted by jobee

What is your favourite poem AND artist?

There are many writers that I have amongst a list of favourites and indeed, some of my teddy collection are thus named after them. Tennyson, Stephenson, Byron, Shakespeare and Wordsworth, Without a doubt Robert Louis Stephenson is probably my favourite. As a child who loved poetry I was a regular attender at Sunday School. One year I was given, for my attendance record, a book entitled "A Child's Garden of Verses". The poem that stood out for me was entitled "Travel"...

I should like to rise and go
Where the golden apples grow;--
Where below another sky
Parrot islands anchored lie.....

This painted the most amazing pictures in the mind of a child and of course fueled the dreamy imagination that lies within. Without a doubt he has to be my favourite poet.

As a contrast, though I realize you didn't ask for that, Dr Seuss was very much a childhood favourite. He not only wrote in rhyme form which you could read superficially but there were lessons contained within as well.

[jobee]

Originally Posted by Shizara

There are many writers that I have amongst a list of favourites and indeed, some of my teddy collection are thus named after them. Tennyson, Stephenson, Byron, Shakespeare and Wordsworth, Without a doubt Robert Louis Stephenson is probably my favourite. As a child who loved poetry I was a regular attender at Sunday School. One year I was given, for my attendance record, a book entitled "A Child's Garden of Verses". The poem that stood out for me was entitled "Travel"...

I should like to rise and go
Where the golden apples grow;--
Where below another sky
Parrot islands anchored lie.....

This painted the most amazing pictures in the mind of a child and of course fueled the dreamy imagination that lies within. Without a doubt he has to be my favourite poet.

As a contrast, though I realize you didn't ask for that, Dr Seuss was very much a childhood favourite. He not only wrote in rhyme form which you could read superficially but there were lessons contained within as well.

I have no favourite poets. There are many artists I like, two that spring to
mind are Jacob Van Ruisdael and Henri Rousseau.

[Madhatter]

Don't you dare change your style because those brainless planks on cov web criticise.
They know nothing.

[jobee]

Originally Posted by Madhatter

Don't you dare change your style because those brainless planks on cov web criticise.
They know nothing.

Thanks Hatter- they won't discuss my latest one on there.

Coventry Web

[cathidaw]

Originally Posted by jobee

What is your favourite poem AND artist?

When I stopped to think about my favourite poems I realised that they all have the same underlying theme - freedom . What does that say about me?

John Masefield and his 'Tewkesbury Road' 'Sea Fever' and 'The Vagabond

I remember sitting in my classroom reading these , staring out of the window and daydreaming about the day when I was grown up and could 'do what I liked' I could go tinkering around the countryside in a little caravan, doin g a bit of work here and there to survive., lazing in the sun reading (maybe poetry too) whever Iwished.
Of course the weather would always be sunny, I would never feel lonely or unwell.
Iwould never be bored like I was- sitting here learning poetry by rote, or doing lessons which would never be any use.
This is what poetry does .it is so emotiveand takes you into other worlds.
Since I have grown up 'a bit' (and my life has fortunately not been as I
wished in that classroom) I still love poetry and do write a little and so do my family, (they say they can knock a ditty out now and again if necessary)
I also believe that a fanatical poetry teacher helps. Unfortunately it does not appear to be taught in senior schools now.
I love ' Khubla Khan ' and heard it on radio4 last week-Igot a shiver of delight up my back. Does anyone listen to 'Poetry Please'
Iwent to see 'Under Milk Wood' at the Talisman in Kenilworth a few weeks ago
and was very disappointed. Could not hear the narrators very well. I think they were savouring the wonderful words and saying it to themselves.
Enough of that.
I paint a bit and do voluntary teaching once a week, drawing and painting.
One of my favourite artists is Alphonse Mucha. I went to to the Barbican to see his first exhibition in England.
Iremember it well as Ihad a tickly cough and spent half of the time coughing madly in the cloakroom
I love reading the poems in this chatline and I'm glad they mostly rhyme. Some of the others are too clever for me. so Jobee dont do too much prose.

I cannot see why jobee was banned, belief in a non -caring God is very silly.