hosting

[optrex]

Originally Posted by Will

You have to remember that the reason some hosting companies are very cheap, is because they put limitations on all thier services. Such as 1and1, which puts rediculous limits on everything.

If this site was still on 1and1 it would not be able to function, as it has already exceeded their maximum database size, and constantly exceeds the amount of port allowences they have. It is also soon going to exceed their maximum sendmail limitations.

In short, if a hosting company seems to good to be true, it probably is.

I would be very interested to see the stats Will as you have mentioned this before. Is WO really exceeding a 100mb mysql limit - if so where and on what?

MWF has 15,223 posts 2,854 threads and 118 members, is very heavily modded and still only has a 14mb database. Compare that to 2,797 posts 1,226 threads on WO.

I verified the connection limit is 18 with 1and1 (ASO has limit of 15) this means effectively 18 people would need to press post at the same time to get a time out. Independent hosting forums have suggested that that limit would be sufficient to host a forum with 120 members online simultaneously.

To answer Madhatter - look for one that allows you to have multiple external domains (not just sub domains)

[Shizara]

Am following this discussion with interest. I have a couple of domains but other than email there are no websites up and running on them. It won't always be that way as I plan to update my first site - rather large - and finish another that I started but still haven't decided which path to follow.

I have found that you do get what you pay for. Pay nothing ie as in a free website and it is likely to be festooned with much advertising and not always that which you would be happy to have. Until I am ready to have a website online again will just do some research.

[Madhatter]

aso seem to let me have the 6 sites on the six domain names but readin united hosting they want me to have six plans which are 5 quid minimum. I think they're just trying to get people on a reseller plan.
This not knowing which to go with is doing my head in, I need to get it up and running, it's bad enough that I'll be starting from scratch again. You can't save anything off proboards there is no back up.
advertising wise proboards are quite good, and if you have norton you can block them. You can do virtually anything with free sites. It just becomes fragmented with all the different sites that link together .

[optrex]

Why you starting again from scratch?

[Will]

Originally Posted by Madhatter

I've nearlly made another mistake.
I assumed all hosts would let me host several small sites with their own ip's like you do.
Do you need an account for each site on aso? or a reseller account or can I put them all on one medium account ? I'd ask on the forum but as you know what I mean I thought I'd ask you.

No, there are no limitations on anything from ASO apart from disk space and bandwidth, both of which are generous.

[Will]

Originally Posted by optrex

I would be very interested to see the stats Will as you have mentioned this before. Is WO really exceeding a 100mb mysql limit - if so where and on what?

MWF has 15,223 posts 2,854 threads and 118 members, is very heavily modded and still only has a 14mb database. Compare that to 2,797 posts 1,226 threads on WO.

I store a lot of images on this database (many of which are for future projects or side projects which I use this database and forum software for), and that includes any images that are uploaded by members, which isn't much, but I choose to store them in my MYSQL database rather then take up server space.

I verified the connection limit is 18 with 1and1 (ASO has limit of 15) this means effectively 18 people would need to press post at the same time to get a time out. Independent hosting forums have suggested that that limit would be sufficient to host a forum with 120 members online simultaneously.

I'm not sure where you get your info from, but certainly ASO'S MYSQL database has a lot more then 15 connections, and I also know that 1and1's 18 is pitiful. I am aware of these problems from first hand experience, when my TV Production forum started churning out errors because the connection rate was constantly being exceeded. I am now running that same site on ASO with double the membership and non of the errors.

This is all fact that has been verified by Jelsoft, the people who make VBulletin, and is also backed up by countless vbulletin users. But don't take my word for it, go to VB own forum and look at the hosting section. You will find hundreds of posts also verfying what I say.

[Madhatter]

Well I've been told ASO is painfully slow at upload speeds sometimes and times out a lot. I get loads of 'warwickshireonline.com could not be found' when i click links. Thats whats meaking me paraniod. Is that aso or my isp. I don't see how it can be this pc. I've tried asking here and on other v bulletin sites on aso (there does seem to be a few) but they ignore me so obviously they can't be experiencing it. Ignored means 'what you going on about hatter' .
I was prepared to pay twice that of aso , its not like its a lot a month. but i'm not paying for each site.
I'll look at this 1 and 1 and that forum2 and v bulletin, I know I'll still be lost though. I just haven't got enough experience , infact i've got non with servers.
I'm totally lost.

I'll have to start from scratch, there is no way of getting threads out of proboards with out cut and pasting them. It is a very good forum system, never had any problems, rarely have hosting problems, excellent, but it's limited on what can be dome. If they sold server space to go with the forum and made it so things could integrate in it would be fantastic but I don't suppose they can.

[optrex]

Originally Posted by Will

I store a lot of images on this database (many of which are for future projects or side projects which I use this database and forum software for), and that includes any images that are uploaded by members, which isn't much, but I choose to store them in my MYSQL database rather then take up server space.

I see, I started off that way (with a host that had unlimited size mysql) but when it came to looking at galleries (all 3 major vb ones and several independants) they all use file store rather than database store. I asked why and was very strongly advised not to store images in that way, so I haven't since. May be worth considering or investigating further?

I'm not sure where you get your info from, but certainly ASO'S MYSQL database has a lot more then 15 connections, and I also know that 1and1's 18 is pitiful.

ASO's own forum. Here is the link http://forums.asmallorange.com/index...ndpost&p=55526 where it actually quotes the member of staff who advised on 15 concurrent connections for shared hosting. It must be stressed this is DB connections not number of people on the forum at one time. There are also numerous threads advising on VPS not to go much bigger than that due to mysql servers not coping. VPS is a step up from shared.

This is all fact that has been verified by Jelsoft, the people who make VBulletin, and is also backed up by countless vbulletin users. But don't take my word for it, go to VB own forum and look at the hosting section. You will find hundreds of posts also verfying what I say.

I agree I've read lots of threads (many of the vB ones do recommend ASO) and I've gone through loads of hosting an webmaster forums to get the info verified. Don't forget when looking at recommendations that the US customer is going to get a very different experience to the UK one!

Anyway, I do want to try and keep the thread constructive. It is in no way meant to be a critisism of the way WO (or any other site) is run or hosted. Just trying to help and offer advice.

[Madhatter]

can't remember if i asked but this
http://www.unitedforums.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=6425
means they're no good for what I want doesn't it?

[optrex]

It would be a PITA having 5 or 6 seperate accounts unless they could be linked. You would need to balance cost of multiple accounts over one single one.

You would also need to think about load balancing. 5 accounts could be spread over multiple servers. Otherwise you need to take the risk of if one goes off line they all do should you hit a server issue.

I currently run 5 domains on 1 account. I ran it for 2 or 3 months first with one domain to make sure it was stable enough before moving over the other sites. My bandwidth on the sites varies (I have 2 very busy ones and 3 quiet - personal ones). My combined bandwith is around 10-12 Gb per month atm and growing. 1 site accounts for half the bandwidth on its own.

If you are thinking of using "paid for" forum software, you will need a licence for each domain......its going to get *very* expensive.